AIP not really the flop its considered

[Shane2]

Just think at how dramatic the music scene shifted between the release of EY & AIP. Consider also that, to all intents and purposes Tiffany & Deborah were riding the same train throughout the late 80s.

Though the majority of us fans believe that Diane is not the best manager in the world, and that Atlantic lost faith in Deborah, we must remember that, in 1990 while Tiffanys "New Inside" was a disastiorus flop, despite the backing of Maurice Starr, Dick Scott & MCA, Deborah's AIP went gold, came close to the US top 40 and spawned a top 30 single. 3 years later, long after Tiffany had fallen by the wayside, Deborah was still hitting the billboard charts with BMS.

My point being that yes, AIP didnt perform as well as we all hoped, but Diane, Atlantic & Deborah did SOMETHING right because her chart run lasted long after Tiffanys had faultered.

[Woops]

It went gold and the title track became a moderate hit, but unfortunately became quicky forgotten.

In retrospect, her ballads could easily top the charts since Taylor Dayne had a huge hit with "Love Will Lead You Back", Paula Abdul with "Rush Rush", and also rocker Bryan Adam's "Everything I Do, I Do It For You".  I can picture "One Hand, One Heart" and "This So Called Miracle" (though shortened for radio) on the top 10.

I believe it's more because radio & MTV/VH1 didn't give her music a chance and pegged her as an '80's pop princess. Kind of like how actors get typecasted.

Not sure on how much was promoted on the album other than Deb having a cameo on the hit teen drama "Beverly Hills 90210".

[Erica]

Deb was all over the place on tv for aIP.  She made many appearances on then Regis and KathyLee during AIP.  Deb was on this Saturday morning teen/preteen show YouthQuake during AIP.  Deb was in all the teen mags still.  I saw her ET, A current Affair, Hollywood insider, Hard Copy.   She was even on Life styles of the rich famous  during AIP era too. She was on verus telethons  Deb was on MTV a few times.  My cable company didn't carry VH1 back then so i dont know about that channel.

Erica

[Out of the Blue]

That's maybe it, Deborah did just about all of the promotion for AIP herself.  Atlantic didn't really put much effort into it themselves.  There was a little but not anywhere near what they had done for "Out of the Blue" and "Electric Youth."  The biggest thing I thought that was a real problem with them is that they didn't seem to know just how to promote it.  They didn't know if they should promote it as a pop album or an Adult Contemporary album.

[Eric]

Though the majority of us fans believe that Diane is not the best manager in the world

Gee when I read this, I almost fell off my chair ! You certainly don't have proof of that so here's what I think. I think that the very few fans that think like that don't have an idea of what the role of a manager is !

[Out of the Blue]

A lot of people seem to think that the job of a manager is to basically run the person's career and that's very far from reality.  The manager really doesn't have that big of a role.  Most of the marketing and things like that are the responsibility of the publicist.

[artsiistra]

I think AIP had some inital luck due to the carryover success of EY and OOTB from her fanbase.  They bought into it.  The general public didn't however.

The title track was average to me at best.  It's like she tried to create another pop anthem like "Electric Youth", which I never really liked.  She wanted to keep the young kids that were a part of her fanbase, yet she also wanted to step up to be a mature pop artist like Janet or Madonna (perhaps).  I didn't buy into that, and therefore, stopped following her for over a decade!

She wanted the best of both worlds, yet there was no way an artist can carry that burden.  She also tried to load up the new cd format with her new album - which diluted the cd with sub-par songs in the process.  Plus separating the "sides" into NRG and Mood Swings(?) didn't help.

Deb's got a knack for the ballads, but she has a harder time coming up with the memorable, faster songs.  OOTB was a gold mine for that.  AIP was missing a snappy pop song like Only in My Dreams or Shake Your Love.

Plus, at that time, even a band like Duran Duran were starting to struggle with the music charts.  MTV just overplayed a lot of those '80's artists.  That, along with radio, just led to overexposure.  Some of the public just have had enough of that.  Cue hip-hop, hardcore rap, and alternative music for the '90's.

[Shane2]

Though the majority of us fans believe that Diane is not the best manager in the world

Gee when I read this, I almost fell off my chair ! You certainly don't have proof of that

lol..no i dont have any proof. you got me!

[Woops]

Plus, at that time, even a band like Duran Duran were starting to struggle with the music charts.  MTV just overplayed a lot of those '80's artists.  That, along with radio, just led to overexposure.  Some of the public just have had enough of that.  Cue hip-hop, hardcore rap, and alternative music for the '90's.

True

Also a bit ironic that in 2008 the music industry isn't much different than it was about over 10  years ago: hardcore rap, alternative, and manufactured pop.  Though the only difference is that numetal isn't popular and replaced with "emo", which most are influenced by  (or try to imitate) alternative bands from the 1980's & 1990's like The Smiths, The Cure, The Smashing Pumpkins, and Green Day.

Gangsta rap was popular since the early 1990's and dates back to the latter 1980's with Ice T, Public Enemy, and NWA. Never saw the appeal since most just glamorizes violence, overload of profanity (especially a certain word that's been in the news lately), and just plain noise to my ears.

[artsiistra]

Also a bit ironic that in 2008 the music industry isn't much different than it was about over 10  years ago: hardcore rap, alternative, and manufactured pop.  Though the only difference is that numetal isn't popular and replaced with "emo", which most are influenced by  (or try to imitate) alternative bands from the 1980's & 1990's like The Smiths, The Cure, The Smashing Pumpkins, and Green Day.

Gangsta rap was popular since the early 1990's and dates back to the latter 1980's with Ice T, Public Enemy, and NWA. Never saw the appeal since most just glamorizes violence, overload of profanity (especially a certain word that's been in the news lately), and just plain noise to my ears.

Agree with the first paragraph, can't add anything other than metal will always be around in some form.  Ozzfest doesn't fail year after year, despite the decline of Ozzy as a headliner. (Usually, it's the other bands that attract anyway)

Agree with your gangsta rap take.  On the flip side, the more hip-hop side to rap can be good in doses.  I dusted off my Mariah Carey Charmbracelet cd the other day.  I only listened to it like a dozen times before mainly for the Through The Rain ballad.This time, I listened through the whole cd twice, and must admit, it was a pretty good cd after all.  The stuff with her guest rap artists are pretty good (she's done this on every cd since Fantasy)  They have to keep it clean, yet still be a little sexy, lyrics-wise.  I haven't got Emancipation of Mimi, but I don't hear gutter language on her collaborations with rap artists.  They can be quite good!  But that's about as much rap as I get to hear really.

[Out of the Blue]

Mariah Carey is another one that has survived the pitfalls of the music business.  She was really huge back in the very early 90s and then when the Alternative Revolution happened even her popularity took a hit.  The thing is though that she's still around while 99% of those "genius" alternative bands and their members are almost totally forgotten now.

[Woops]

"Don't Flirt With Me" , a good song that  she performed during the "Electric Youth"  tour (1989/1990), is a bit edgy, shows a  different side of Deb  and might've become a hit if was included on her album.

[Woops]

As for hip hop...


MC Hammer's "Please Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em" is the first rap album to reach #1 in 1990...

Also the popularity of "Yo! MTV Raps", Tone Loc, DJ Jazzy Jeff & Fresh Prince, LL Cool J, Salt N' Pepa, in the later 1980's. Not to mention Run DMC in the mid 1980's and Beastie Boys since 1986..

Pop artists like Paula Abdul & New Kids have imitated some of the hip hop sound/style.

For hardcore gangsta rap, probably around 1989 with NWA's "Straight Outta Compton", though with no radio airplay and certain videos were not shown on MTV.


As for alternative...

The Cure ("Just Like Heaven", "Love Song") & REM ("It's The End Of The World...", "The One I Love") became mainstream in the later 1980's.

Don't know  how popular REM was in the later 1980's in regular MTV/Top 40 rotation, but they were very popular in the 1990's.

 U2 also became superstars. "120 Minutes" premiered in 1986, though doubt it had the wide appeal as "Headbangers' Ball" & "Yo! MTV Raps" since most of the artists were still "underground" or only played in college radio stations like 10,000 Maniacs, The Smiths, and Echo & The Bunnymen.

Nirvana formed in 1987 and released their debut album "Bleach" in 1989, but didn't become popular until "Nevermind" was released sometime in 1991.

[Woops]

It's funny how I sometimes hear stories about the '90's generation (ie those heavily  into alternative) being tired of the '80's hair metal and pop scene...


I find it ironic that many alternative bands claimed to be "anti-corperate" when in fact their music  and image were very popular/overexposed and gotten airplay in mainstream radio stations and MTV.

Wouldn't be suprised if the next decade would still be the same as if was for over the past decade.


Also noticed that there hasn't been any actual comebacks in music and it also appears to be more catered to the youth demographic. Not to mention more manufactured pop acts compared to previous eras.

OK, back on topic...

Honestly, "Anything Is Possible" being Gold and forgotten is one of those things I still don't understand (besides that teen idols weren't taken seriously) since the ballads could still be on the Pop & AC charts.

That and a certain manufactured act winning a Grammy and the popularity of a certain wannabe rapper named Robin Van Winkle.

Though some good stuff came out of 1990 too.

Then again, I was more into "Tiny Toon Adventures" 

[A Million Pieces]

AIP shipped gold and was certified gold by the RIAA but the amount of copies that were returned to the label was shocking!  I do not have the exact figure, but it must have been about 100,000.  AIP was a HUGE flop!