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« on: April 15, 2010, 02:46:13 PM »

At what point did a particular TV show or caroon jump the shark, or did it?  Say, "The Flintstones?"
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2010, 03:12:59 AM »

"The Flintstones", some sources stated athat it jumped during the third season when Fred Flintstone's "Jackie Gleason-esque" personaliy have toned down when Pebbles was born. Honestly, the writers were probably mirroring reality since most people actually changed when becoming parents.


I tend to cringe on the episode where Pebbles & Bamm Bamm becomes a singing duo, which I think was on the third or fourth season...


"Married with Children"... when Seven joined the series

Ironically Ted McGinley joining is considered "shark jumping", but Jefferson D'Arcy, his character, was a good addition to the cast.

"Headbanger's Ball", when alternative videos from Nirvana & Alice In Chains were shown in the early 1990's.  Change of the musical climate.


"E! True Hollywood Story", when it focused more on young Hollywood

"Ren & Stimpy Show", while many sources  have stated that the show jumped when creator/voice of Ren John Kricfalusi was fired, there's still some memorable episodes from the last three seasons including "Ren's Bitter Half" and the one where they come across a baboon. Ironically, the wretched revival "Adult Party Cartoon" was actually done by the original creator...
  
"In Living Color", don't think it jumped. Especially during the fifth season with a few of the  original cast.  It was thankfully cancelled since it might've ended up like "SNL" or "Mad TV". Though "SNL" was back on top again during the early 1990's with Phil Hartman, David Spade, Adam Sandler, Chris Rock, Mike Myers etc.

"Drawn Together", from the get go since it relied too much on shock humor and tried too hard to be funny. Though a reality show parody with cartoon characters (parodied or made up) from different universes/backgrounds would've made an OK show.


Betty Boop, when the Hayes Code came in full effect in 1934 since Betty was toned down and jazz music could nolonger be used for the soundtrack. Though the flapper style was also phasing (or already phased) out by the mid 1930's.

Fleischer Studios would also crumble & end up trying to keep up with Disney (ie the movie "Gulliver's Travel" & 'Color Classics' shorts) until Paramount took over and renamed it Famous Studios in 1942. Though had success with Popeye and Superman shorts.

Not much into Fleischer cartoons, though I'll admit that some of the early Betty Boop cartoons were enjoyable eye candy. Though always thought Popeye was very  hit or miss. Famous Studios...I'll admit that there's a few decent shorts like "Much Ado About Mutton" and  "Butterscotch & Soda".


Tom & Jerry, when Bill Hanna & Joesph Barbera stopped producing the cartoons and left MGM when the animation studios folded in 1957. The later incarnations such as the theatricals from Gene Deitch & Chuck Jones and the corny, politically correct tv  garbage from the '70's (ironically from Hanna Barbera) doesn't come close to the cartoons from the 1940's/1950's.

Don't mind the introduction of the baby duck, though don't think many cartoons were made with that character. Probably due to overexposure on television.

Droopy, when Tex Avery left MGM in 1953 and also the character's design also was given a face lift in the early 1950's.



Looney Tunes, when the Warner Bros. animation studio closed in 1964, with the remaining top directors Friz Freleng & Chuck Jones leaving for other projects. For some reason it opened shop again until 1969 and produced some forgettable cartoons like the unnecessary  pairing of Daffy Duck & Speedy Gonzales.  

For some reason, the animation (in general) became limited by the 1950's though Looney Tunes peaked around 1957 since most of the cartoons after were  very hit & miss.


Characters:

Tweety, when joined Sylvester since the sadistic canary from the early 1940's was toned down  and became less dependant, which he would have to rely on Granny or the bulldog, during the mid 1950's.

Elmer Fudd, when Arthur Q. Bryan passed in 1958

Bugs, when he became more calm & smug by the end of the 1950's and bland later on television specials and  film appearances.

Daffy, when director Chuck Jones made the character greedy in the 1950's. Granted that there's memorable cartoons feauring the greedy duck like the hunting trilogy with Elmer & Bugs, but turned  into a fall guy for no real reason in "Show Biz Bigs" (directed by Friz Freleng).
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2010, 02:28:52 PM »

I tend to cringe on the episode where Pebbles & Bamm Bamm becomes a singing duo, which I think was on the third or fourth season...
I think that's when it went.












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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2010, 03:26:45 PM »

"E! True Hollywood Story", when it focused more on young Hollywood

That, and it more or less became a "damage control" tool for them, making excuses for their behavior.

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"Ren & Stimpy Show", while many sources  have stated that the show jumped when creator/voice of Ren John Kricfalusi was fired, there's still some memorable episodes from the last three seasons including "Ren's Bitter Half" and the one where they come across a baboon. Ironically, the wretched revival "Adult Party Cartoon" was actually done by the original creator...
I think it jumped half way through the final season.  They were as twisted and demented as ever but they really lacked a story.
  
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Looney Tunes, when the Warner Bros. animation studio closed in 1964, with the remaining top directors Friz Freleng & Chuck Jones leaving for other projects. For some reason it opened shop again until 1969 and produced some forgettable cartoons like the unnecessary  pairing of Daffy Duck & Speedy Gonzales.  
Warner Bros. tried to bring those cartoons back but they had different people doing the animation and voicing, and it just wasn't the same.

I think "Beavis & Butt-Head" never jumped.  Mike Judge killed the show right after he was hired away by Fox to do "King of the Hill" but I think he also intentionally ended the show so it wouldn't jump.
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2010, 08:27:07 PM »

Mel Blanc still provided the voices for most of the Looney Tunes characters up until his passing in 1989. Obiviously, the characters sounded different since he was older. Friz Freleng and Chuck Jones worked on several of the tv specials in the 1970's & 1980's, though with limited animation and standards & practices the quality was much lower.
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2010, 03:52:40 PM »

I thought his son took over for him in the 70s?
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2010, 02:10:22 AM »

Noel Blanc does several voices since the 1990's though other voice-over artists have provided voices on various tv shows, commercials, video games, etc. for the past two decades.
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2010, 08:14:02 PM »

When Tom & Jerry went bad


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By this time, it was too late. Just like Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse, Tom and Jerry had become sanitized corporate products for children. What made these cartoons great, Bugs and Mickey included, were their edgy nature and personalities. Tom can’t chase Jerry with a knife anymore (and vice versa) just like Bugs can’t entirely be the smartass he once was and Mickey can’t be the curious troublemaker he used to be. These risks can’t be taken. It would violate what these characters stand for today, at the expense of what made them so great to begin with.

Recent Tom and Jerry iterations haven’t fared so well. They have several movies (I’ve only seen the first one…and it sucks. They talk!) and a few shorts. None of them have captured or ever will capture the magic of the Hanna Barbera classics of the 1940s and 50s—the ones that made Tom and Jerry one of the greatest cartoons of all-time.

Unfortunately very much true.

Not to mention censorship, which many cartoons were edited or completely  banned from television.
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2010, 05:20:23 AM »

Don't think "Rocky & Bullwinkle" ever jumped during it's run. Not even from the network switch from ABC to NBC after the second season.

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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2010, 04:18:44 AM »

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Wow, twenty years sure makes a difference:

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If a Hell exists for animation artists, I imagine it would involve having to work on later seasons of The Simpsons. There’s an interesting thing going on here though. Anybody who knows their animation history knows that virtually every classic cartoon character from Mickey to Bugs to Woody to Yogi became stiffer and less appealing as the years passed. It’s a good argument for why repetition is unhealthy for artists, and how it leads to artistic stagnation and an overreliance on formulas.



"The Simpsons" is more of an animated sitcom than a cartoon and is more known for it's writing. 

Don't know when the animation became "stiff" since I don't pay too much attention to the animation & don't watch the show often (ie don't have the tapes/DVDs) though I read somewhere that creator Matt Groening  prefer the later animation.

I recall that the first few seasons were a bit "jerkier" (ie Homer gagging Bart), though I stopped watching the show regularly around 1998.

Mostly indifferent. (Though wasn't Yogi Bear always static  Roll Eyes ...which was mentioned along  Bugs Bunny, Woody Woodpecker, & Mickey)


As for the show itself,  several of the characters became caricatures of themselves and the episodes bland from  few  I've seen from the past decade. Guessing different writers and that the show have been on the air for over 20 years... (23 if counting the "Tracey Ullman" shorts)

The "Tracey Ullman Show" shorts looked atrocious though...
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2010, 03:26:54 PM »

If "The Simpsons" ever went to CGI that would definately kill the show.
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2010, 07:33:29 PM »

On one of the "Treehouse Of Horrors" Halloween episodes, there was a story where Homer turned CGI when he got stuck in another dimension.
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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2010, 03:42:22 PM »

I remember that one.
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2011, 01:36:45 AM »

"120 Minutes", honestly it just "overstayed it's welcome".  It ran from 1986 to 2000 and moved to MTV2, which lasted a few years until replaced with "Subterranean".

Also from the setlists, it appeared to feature alternative bands that were already overexposed on the channel by the mid  1990's (ie Nirvana, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Oasis, Radiohead, Smashing Pumpkins, etc).




MTV Video Music Awards, would have to say the early '90's when it became more for celebrities hamming up the camera/scandals & backstage drama. Though personally find majority of award shows overrated.
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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2011, 03:25:37 PM »

MTV Video Music Awards, would have to say the early '90's when it became more for celebrities hamming up the camera/scandals & backstage drama. Though personally find majority of award shows overrated.
That's one that I think jumped at Day One because that show was never any good.  It was big on hype but short on real substance.
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